Don't cross a river, which on average is 4 feet deep.
Omar 5:48pm November 13
Banks do not have a handle of the error of forecasting further losses or write downs. It's not like forecasting life expectancy which is a much more forgiving exercise. If you predict that someone lives to the age of 80 your error maybe say + or - 15 years. If that person makes it to 80, your next forecast will have an error of say + or - 7 years. ... The error gets smaller and smaller; it always tends to zero. It's not like someone can live to 1,000 or 1,000,000! On the other hand, the error of forecasting bank losses on toxic assets can be explosive. Provisions of 1 billion can turn to 10 billion! As events in the market and economy unfold, we do not necessarily have a better understanding of the degree of losses. This makes the task of bank recapitalizations and government bail outs a nightmare.
As the saying goes amongst traders: Don't cross a river, which on average is 4 feet deep. With random variables like losses it's the error or deviation from the mean that is more consequential!
Iqbal Latif at 11:28pm November 13
If we would do that << Don't cross a river, which on average is 4 feet deep. >> we will still consider India on the other side of the Atlantic and Earth as heart of the universe, we need to cross all rivers, we need to take risk and therefore we are what we are.
Delusions and overstretch of valuations is part of the capitalistic mechanism of self ... The future Mittal is being made right now under our noses as the one who is slowly and steadily gathering the right assets.
Skeptics and negativity rarely ever creates it is self destructive in nature. By the way I have become a great fan Sextus Empiricus, thanks for the book. Nissim Taleb Black Swans is my favourite too.
http://www.globalpolitician.com/24405-political-theory
<< With random variables like losses its the error or deviation from the mean that is more consequential!>>
''The Black Swan''-Taleb goes way overboard in attributing everything to luck. He thinks Microsoft beat out Apple just due to luck. Taleb does not consider that Microsoft open system allowed it to mushroom while Apple locked itself into a ... Also; according to Taleb both the rise and fall of Rome were due entirely to luck. But, Rome was best at developing military strategy and transportation networks. However, it eventually suffered from imperial overstretch.1
"I see the younger generation [of hedge fund managers] hampered by the need to understand and rationalize why something should go up or down. Usually, by the time that becomes self-evident, the move is already over. When I got into the business, there was so little information on fundamentals, and what little information one could get was largely imperfect. We learned just to go with the chart. Why work when Mr. Market can do it for you? These days, there are many more deep intellectuals in the business, and that, coupled with the explosion of information on the Internet, creates the illusion that there is an explanation for everything... There are young men and women graduating from college who have a tremendous work ethic, but they get lost trying to understand the logic behind a whole variety of market moves. [At the end of a bull market or bear market] there's typically no logic to it; irrationality reigns supreme, and no class can teach you what to do during that brief, volatile, reign."
-- Paul Tudor Jones
Rehan Latif at 9:56am November 14
In Toxic bonds, I would suggest banks have marked these down to close to 0, so the question of unknown loss is redundant, because there is no downside from there. So I think banks have a good handle on that now. The question is the entire bond inventory banks hold. I would say that most of these are performing well, collecting coupons, but the ... issue is if they are marked down to 60 cents, I doubt they would get anywhere close to that level in a dead secondary market, just no bid. Even TARP has had to change their mandate, simply because banks are not willing to sell at distressed levels, healthy bonds. Liquidity is better for most banks, so if they are not willing to hit just any bid, why not sit on positions you understand, collect the coupon and amortization at the discounted cash price. The Toxic issue has been dealt with viciously value down (or lose the bank ala Lehman's) or sell off (e.g., Thain sold Merrill's toxic assets at 16c to the dollar).
Omar responds..
Dear Iqbal: Taleb prefers to be skeptical and cannot say with certainty whether something is due to luck or skill; he does not contribute "everything to luck". He does not say Buffet is lucky, but says he might be; "even a broken clock is right twice a day".
A definition of randomness is important here. In Taleb's analogy of the turkey and the ... Read Morebutcher, it is key to note that for the turkey his slaughter on the eve of Thanks Giving is a Black Swan, but for the butcher it's not. Thus, randomness is synonymous with incomplete information.
I do not think "we need to cross all rivers". Cross the river if you have a handle of your error rate. Many quants and statisticians worryingly do not. Their models are based on Gaussian techniques, which in a world of Black Swans can blow up with destructive repercussions. If you do not have a handle of your error, expose yourself to positive Black Swans. Avoid banking and reinsurance and focus on biotechnology or venture capital.
After a Black Swan event, we tend to look back and say, "You know what, I saw it coming". This is known as "hindsight bias". After WWI, historians said the war was the result of tension between Germany and Austria and the UK, and began to predict tension leads to war. But they ignore all the episodes of tension that did not ... Read Morelead to war. Prior tension typically lead to Kings getting drunk together in Baden-Baden. Also, there was a market called War Bonds, which failed to predict the war.
Thus, I am skeptical that after the event, we attribute Microsoft's success to knowing its open source policy would lead to its monopoly of the computer software market. Further, even if they did know open source would lead to greater market share, I doubt they predicted the magnitude of its effect. Similarly, the current credit crisis is a "Grey Swan". Some commentators saw it coming. But no one predicted its magnitude.
My central problem with "crossing all rivers" is that it goes from what you know to what you don't know. It's not an empirical exercise. It's not scientific.
Zachary Latif
1. Biggest baddest dawg in the street
being me is no mean feat
can we still do a trade please
all you have to do is cut the grease!
Better start now won't charge a fee
brothers sisters listen to me
I know I've been quiet so far
didnt wanna fling the tar
2. I swear I'm quitting the condemnation
I've thought about starting the fornication
Instead listening to market by bush
he got no game got no mercy better tell him to shush
the fed just went into a meeting
I can feel my bones are all heating
Where else to turn these markets
I still wanna to earn those trinkets
It is true I is super posh
Sometimes I do write mush
But wait a bit I'll be down with it
And then I'll be zack-innit
Rehan is shocked, Obama wins and rainbows shot through the bleak London morning and little unicorns started flying around.. Who knew. 6:06am
Rehan Rafay 2:51pm November 7
Rome has a new emperor and Im lovin it!
Rehan Latif at 3:46pm November 7
Thats where you are mistaken young grasshopper... Rome, never had a black emperor, 3 african popes the last one in 450 AD... America have done it within a few generations... The beauty of *real* revolutionary thinking, more than 50% of the US population voted for this change, not you, not any of your fire brand thinkers... Hail the real heroes of ... Read Morethis results, the Americans who have once again showed why they are the greatest nation in the world, by smashing down orthodoxy and contemplating something revolutionary. This WILL never happen in the Islamic world, let alone Europe, such a volte face in less than a decade. Its the sign of a Nation still in its ascendancy, that they can self analyse and accept dramatic change. Its up to some of us now to re asses our own views and prove that we can also accept change this quickly.... They talk about the Rise and Fall of Rome but there is no precedence for the United States. It stands alone as the greatest civilization has to offer for now...
Rehan Rafay 4:07pm November 7
Since I'm too young to be cynical...I'm starting a "real revolutionary" movement in Makran just to prove u wrong and also recommending u for a job in Dept of Home Land Security in the new Obama administration...America needs patriots like u!